[JakeBlues]

Thor Wrote:

Nightrain Wrote:Allways some have to female doggy or cry about it.

+1

True.

This virtual society really starts to reflect similarities to the real one.

[Dingus]

Thanks for being more realistic on the endurance requirements!

[Guest]

My advise.Keep the SB1 and dont go for the Tiffani Flechette HVS .

The jump in str from 30 to 45 is obscene for a ranged fighter.Keep the SB1 and rather than train str 15 levels,train your accuracy another 8 levels instead.This will more than compensate for the extra damage.

[Moriarty]

Wasnt so much a moan last night but an observation that SMG users would now have to buy 4 levels of END to reach next weapon whereas Pistol would only have to purchase 2. I would have the END requirements for the pistol a lot sooner but with the new skill system it would be almost pointless to buy it. Surely pistol should have been 22 too?

[MrHyde]

Glad to see a few changes to the new 60 stuff but still feel 45 is far to low for a level 60 item by miles. I know a few level 30s with 45 acc or very close to it as it is.

Now to my next point and its not a moan its asking to try and find out the thinking behind something, before anyone starts jumping on the band wagon.

Being one of the few SMG users in the game i'm with Andy and Mace on the end jump on this gun lets break it down.

The shotgun has a acc jump of 20, a str jump of 15, and a end jump of 2.

The rifle has a dex jump of 20, a acc jump of 15, and a end jump of 2.

The Pistol has a dex jump of 20, an acc jump of 15, and a end jump of 2.

SMG has a dex jump of 20 an acc jump of 15 and a end jump of 4.

All the guns are balanced apart from the SMG it needs an extra 2 end over and above the other 3. We just want to know why this is, Ie will the Steyr Aug A5 be better than the others llike the FN P90 has a lower end level than its "equal" guns and is weaker than them?

[Guest]

andyscho Wrote:Wasnt so much a moan last night but an observation that SMG users would now have to buy 4 levels of END to reach next weapon whereas Pistol would only have to purchase 2. I would have the END requirements for the pistol a lot sooner but with the new skill system it would be almost pointless to buy it. Surely pistol should have been 22 too?

i get your point,but as stated the melee people have to up their game alot more than the ranged fighters...we got the end lowerd to a more reasonable amount i dont think we can complain......like you state pistol goes up 2 smg 4,,,how about axe 4...same difference....atleast it isnt 25...thanks for aknowledging the public zen

[Guest]

but the req on the penultimate SMG is lower than the penultimate shotgun... shotgun users could have an equal case for 'why do we have to have a higher end req earlier than them'? At least you get the second best gun easier, and the best gun with no extra effort.

It could be the best SMG out now is comparable to the best shotgun, whereas before the best shotgun was slightly superior. In which case, you've got a good deal there.

[Guest]

The real point is: similar requirements, similar power? I hope so, that way any1 can choose the weapon they really like and not the most powerful (I'd like to know which % of the game is using shotty).
If it works like that SMG (+4 end), axe (+4 end), long-blade (+5 end), short-blade (+13 int) should get evened (approx) with the other previously more powerful weapons.
4 me new requirements r fine.

[Guest]

i use the long blade and i have no prob with the requirements ,even if i had to train another month, it seems zen and err catered to us and now everybody wants to complain, lets just live with it and move on, train and do crimes to get the requirements, just remember they could have left the stats where they was at and very few would have been able to use them, i think pun had posted about the trainable stats was to low and i agree with him,i feel they should have been 60 for the major stat, and that would have put me off using the long blade for a month or two, but thats just my 2 cents on it,

[Moriarty]

Like I said, not a complaint, perhaps just a clarification that the new SMG is now equal to the others as the current one isnt, hence its lower END requirement