mrbadmood Wrote:This has been a most serious and interesting debate. As I understand it, the question at bottom seems to be where to draw the line with the spirit of the game.
There are valid points on both sides. On the one hand, some of our leading players argue for limited administrative authority over personal affairs, so long as game rules are not violated. On the other, there is an issue of higher level players attacking new players in order to coerce the admins into altering the game code and/or rules.
I suspect a new rule will be the result of all this; perhaps it will mandate the formation of an independent, anonymous group of AL 'justices' to render decisions in sticky cases like this. In either case, I don't think anyone is going to be altogether happy with the outcome.
I am very pleased with the discussion so far. Thank you for everyone sharing their opinions.
I just wanted attention brought to fact that hospitalizations are a legitimate part of this game and this game is totally based on your stats. You get out what you put in and that is the nature of this game. It sucks that low level players can be put into the hospital by higher level players, but again that is what makes this game interesting...
I will be back in a few... meetings coming up
Thank you everyone for staying on topic and not turning this into a personal attack thread. I believe we are all stakeholders in the outcome of this conversation, as having the ability to hospitalize users is what makes this game so unique and fun.
biffbaffboff Wrote:DebbiePinson Wrote:Understood, but as a donator to this game and also the victim of unjust multiple hospitalizations, Ive taken my licks and pressed on even before I started donating. Which brings me to my point...where is the line? Why is it fair to stim non-donator newbs out but make people who actually donate and contribute to the future of the game, play the game as it was intended to be played? Because we are already sucked in? I don't think its right. I agree with the original poster and not just because he's in my gang.
You took your licks but i would bet you anything you want if you looked for another game , made a charactor, logged in and before you even looked at the pantheon you were in hospital for 3 hours you would think screw this for a game and look elsewhere.
I now await the response that actually No i would have come back 3 hours later and made it my ambition to beat that players lights out.Drek talk before you even say it!
Im sure some would, yeah. Personally, my curiosity would keep me around and I'd sure as hell return the favor to another newb that I became stronger than. Lets be honest, this game is about as fun as a kidney stone until you are level 5 so if someone is intrigued, they are going to continue to play regardless of what happens, otherwise they are going to say the game was boring and give up anyway. I think you are putting way too much credence into the newblets being disenchanted and giving up completely and not enough into allowing the game to be played however you feel within the rules.
Ok teamhood you want a line.Then in the rules "spirit of the game" take that as meaning some form of honor.Honor or reason.not to attack the brand new players kinda stands to reason.Honor as there is no honor in attacking a new player.
Logic.Attack someone you have a grievance with,someone your defending,someone who has paid you.There is no logic in attacking mew players.
I feel i am arguing when i shouldnt even need to.Its stands to anyone with logic,reason and honor that attacking new players is against the spirit of the game rule.How dumb to even try and make an argument to the contery when everyone knows the real reason and anyone with half a braincell would see that your just poking for a fight with the admins.
Where does teamPBR fit into all of this?
He's been hospitalizing newbs since before I joined. I've honestly never seen any Admin take actions to foil his efforts of newb domination. Just something to think about...
ArtVandelay Wrote:Where does teamPBR fit into all of this?
He's been hospitalizing newbs since before I joined. I've honestly never seen any Admin take actions to foil his efforts of newb domination. Just something to think about...
That is actually a very valid point.
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ArtVandelay Wrote:Where does teamPBR fit into all of this?
He's been hospitalizing newbs since before I joined. I've honestly never seen any Admin take actions to foil his efforts of newb domination. Just something to think about...
Yeah..It's a noob hospitalizing a noob, though.
Your forum needs locked. FACE!
I dunno..-Random.-
I think people people drawing new lines in the sand find themselves confined in the end. There is a difference between choosing a way of playing and trying to push people to decisions.
If people want to choose on who crossed the line, I don't believe the admins were the ones.
And I know for a fact Err responds to nearly all mails, but he does when he can, and not when you want.