[Moriarty]

seems complex that lupor plus if everyone from a decent sized gang was DT then theyd be difficult to hit. they could all just cower there.

How about a rejig of gang crimes in line with respect, the higher your respect the higher your chance of success 100 = 100% 0 = 0% and respect can never rise above 100% so we dont get into the situation we had before with gangs with respect of 4000.

Run this alongside hideout wars as usual. If your hideout is defeated you also lose 0-20% respect on top of what you lost in PvP. and the winning gang gains 0-20%
This way a gang of high lvls could defeat a gang of low lvls and still gain respect. Otherwise with gaining 0 respect for defeating lower opponents they could struggle to recover.

Your hideout then dictates the length of the war. The better your hideout the longer the war, its then a balance between your members and your hideout. Is having a strong hideout detrimental as your members are weak etc.

Gang A 50% respect declares on Gang B 100% respect

Gang A gains 20 respect in PVP and over runs their hideout and gains 0-20 respect on top. Also gains 40 gang points
Gang B loses 20 respect in PvP and 0-20 respect from their hideout

Gang A respect is now between 70% and 90% and uses the 40 gang points to convert to respect at 4-1 and gains 10 respect now at 80 - 100%.

Gang B now has 60-80% respect. and loses the abilty for the gang to heal members at this lvl

[TommiTheTaco]

That gives a way for the higher level gangs and people to destroy lower level gangs. Put them at zero percent like we're doing today constantly. We can destroy those gangs with ease, now. I'm pretty sure some of the gangs would have a hard time with how many gangs the bigger gang attack.

Incase that was jumbled up: Bad idea. Bigger gangs now have a way of putting the gangs that are lower leveled at a disadvantage and make them want to quit because people won't let them get gang respect back at all.

[Moriarty]

Its down to the lower lvl gangs to defeat another low level gang then and build themselves back up.

RESPECT clue is in the title. you have to earn it. The stronger gangs will.

[TommiTheTaco]

Yeah, but how can you earn something when another team is stacked? Can't be done, especially if the stacked team is constantly on the move, looking for another target.

[Moriarty]

You cant punish a gang for being active and successful.

[TommiTheTaco]

I can only say that it's been a good while since you've been a member of a smaller gang. It's obvious you're not thinking of the little guy. Some of these smaller gangs are pretty successful and have plenty of active members.

HOWEVER, they can not win against someone such as Super Villains, Dissidence, BSC, so on, so forth, ect., ect. Are you saying that the smaller gangs should be punished by losing their priviledges to a gang that they honestly cannot beat? Should they have to lose respect because the bigger gang can just pwn their hideout without a doubt of defeat?

I think there should be a level situation involved. Say that the gangs have to be 4 levels close to their average gang level, in either direction of course, to be able to declare war on the gang.

[Moriarty]

All I can say is SVS were once a small gang and we worked and played damn hard to rise to the top. Ive been on the receiving end in the old PVP wars. only man online while 499ers Pwned us for 50-60 respect points. Was it Fair, probably not but later that day we caught them back and took 50 points back. I tell you one thing, PvP wars running from district to district to hide was a hell of a lot more fun.

[Guest]

My 2 penny worth here is... This is supposed to represent real life gang wars/real life turf wars.Come on when does a triad gang bow down to 3 punks from the other side of town?They would go around say hey your mugging/robbing/stealing on our patch you little upstarts.Then smack em around and trash thier home.

Its what happens there can be no place for sentiment here.Drug baron v pickpocket?Come on if you aint tough enough then dont make a gang.

If you made a gang then get alliances or like i posted earlier merger??If zen can do that then you could merge 4/5 gangs that have been beaten down over the weeks and suddenly have a half decent gang.Isnt that what happens irl too?

So no more sentiment for the little guy...this is a crime/warring game. enjoy

[TommiTheTaco]

Yeah. You were small whenever everyone else was small. Now, you're bigger, and there're smaller gangs trying to chase after the dream that you're currently living. They can't possibly do that if the bigger gangs are taking away their chances for such a thing.

[TommiTheTaco]

Merging a bunch of small gangs isn't going to help them beat SV or Dissidence, brah. Smaller level people will get thrashed, and their hideout will get destroyed. Then, they'll get all pissy because they can't fight, and they'll start quitting because the bigger gang is beating on them.

This might be a game of crime and war, but guess what? That's what it is. A game. It might have real life situations, but it's still a game. No one likes to lose constantly because some of the bigger players want to pick on them and not let them build to even a glimmer of their level.