[pheonixfyre]

the problem as I see it is that the player base will never really grow as long as people like Dave and his multi's are allowed to keep hosping newbs all the time....
the people in his gang hav been warned by several people, myself included, for months now about what they got themselves into.
I hav had a fair amount of success getting the newb's out of his gang, rescuing those that he has trapped with gang wars...while some, like Attila, just dont seem to want out that badly...