[dnbrocks]

(2010.Apr.29 10:36 PM)cheetah Wrote:  Exactly, thank you, I can't go through the rediculous new logs to prove it! no 1000s, so why spend the money on it!

I want a refund!

typical SV's if something doesn't go your way just cry to zen till you get what you want.

[Monk]

it says right in the disclaimer no refunds.

[BigJoe]

(2010.Apr.30 05:21 PM)dnbrocks Wrote:  

(2010.Apr.29 10:36 PM)cheetah Wrote:  Exactly, thank you, I can't go through the rediculous new logs to prove it! no 1000s, so why spend the money on it!

I want a refund!

typical SV's if something doesn't go your way just cry to zen till you get what you want.

typical SV eh? its a very valid point,,why waste close to 2 mil on a weapon that doesnt perform any better than the previous version?

Pun obviously has the stats to take full advantage of the gun,but yet cant hit any better than the previous model..

now factor in the additional stats and end to use it,,any person would expect a nice improvement

((((BTW,, Conrad started this thread))))

[spacebird]

(2010.Apr.30 10:04 AM)InPaceRequiscat Wrote:  

(2010.Apr.30 09:47 AM)Conrad1103 Wrote:  equipped a Riot Axe..of which i have 0 skill, as opposed to 10 skill in shotty.


Conrad hits xxx for 880 damage. XXX resists 45 for a total of 835 damage.
Conrad defeated xxx.

sweetness.

Plus it tears hideouts apart.

this new axe seems much stronger on hideouts compared to the riot axe. as far as pvp, this axe seems to have a higher rate of critical hits (doubles in many instances) but a very, very low end that i cannot creep out of against a strong opponent. if i don't land a crit, i typically lose.

i agree with conrad, pun, and cheetah that a noticeable difference should be seen after upgrading (especially with the fact that all three of them are way, way above the requirements).






you've just been geek'd

[Guest]

(2010.May.01 08:35 AM)Troopermccue Wrote:  this new axe seems much stronger on hideouts compared to the riot axe. as far as pvp, this axe seems to have a higher rate of critical hits (doubles in many instances) but a very, very low end that i cannot creep out of against a strong opponent. if i don't land a crit, i typically lose.

i agree with conrad, pun, and cheetah that a noticeable difference should be seen after upgrading (especially with the fact that all three of them are way, way above the requirements).






you've just been geek'd

The pistol appears to be in the same boat. It has improved hideout attacks but in PVP if it doesn't crit it's completely useless. It basically works as a P-5 level 50 pistol that just happens to cost over twice as much, while being just as erratic at times.

It's sometimes taking 15 turns (which would be 30 under the old system) to defeat significantly inferior opponents and for the price I paid for this weapon it really isn't good enough. It's hitting for as little as 30 points of damage on some attacks which is pathetic.

For future reference Zen please don't bother releasing new weapons if you aren't going to offer a significant upgrade to what we have already. It just comes off as a con and money sink that leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth.

[thrillhouse]

(2010.May.01 04:12 PM)Fallout Wrote:  For future reference Zen please don't bother releasing new weapons if you aren't going to offer a significant upgrade to what we have already. It just comes off as a con and money sink that leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth.

Windows Vista'd

[Conrad1103]

-Best Hit 281

Damn...Lefty's tough!

[Punisher]

as stated before...combat code maybe?

[spacebird]

Round 1
Marlo hits Shimmy for 268 damage. Shimmy resists 94 for a total of 174 damage.
Shimmy hits Marlo for 235 damage. Marlo resists 53 for a total of 182 damage.
Round 2
Marlo hits Shimmy for 273 damage. Shimmy resists 96 for a total of 177 damage.
Shimmy hits Marlo for 219 damage. Marlo resists 50 for a total of 169 damage.
Round 3
Shimmy hits Marlo for 251 damage. Marlo resists 28 for a total of 223 damage.
Marlo misses Shimmy!
Round 4
Shimmy misses Marlo!
Marlo hits Shimmy for 291 damage. Shimmy resists 112 for a total of 179 damage.
Round 5
Shimmy misses Marlo!
Marlo hits Shimmy for 208 damage. Shimmy resists 82 for a total of 126 damage.
Round 6
Shimmy hits Marlo for 221 damage. Marlo resists 25 for a total of 196 damage.
Marlo hits Shimmy for 246 damage. Shimmy resists 89 for a total of 157 damage.
Round 7
Shimmy hits Marlo for 234 damage. Marlo resists 38 for a total of 196 damage.
Marlo hits Shimmy for 203 damage. Shimmy resists 104 for a total of 99 damage.
Round 8
Shimmy misses Marlo!
Marlo hits Shimmy for 274 damage. Shimmy resists 70 for a total of 204 damage.
Round 9
Marlo hits Shimmy for 219 damage. Shimmy resists 65 for a total of 154 damage.
Shimmy hits Marlo for 235 damage. Marlo resists 24 for a total of 211 damage.
Round 10
Shimmy misses Marlo!
Marlo hits Shimmy for 288 damage. Shimmy resists 100 for a total of 188 damage.
Round 11
Shimmy hits Marlo for 167 damage. Marlo resists 57 for a total of 110 damage.
Marlo hits Shimmy for 796 damage. Shimmy resists 96 for a total of 700 damage.
Round 12
Marlo misses Shimmy!
Shimmy hits Marlo for 151 damage. Marlo resists 48 for a total of 103 damage.
Round 13
Shimmy misses Marlo!
Marlo hits Shimmy for 311 damage. Shimmy resists 113 for a total of 198 damage.
Round 14
Marlo hits Shimmy for 398 damage. Shimmy resists 362 for a total of 36 damage.
Shimmy hits Marlo for 186 damage. Marlo resists 36 for a total of 150 damage.
Round 15
Marlo misses Shimmy!
Shimmy hits Marlo for 272 damage. Marlo resists 44 for a total of 228 damage.
Round 16
Marlo hits Shimmy for 245 damage. Shimmy resists 80 for a total of 165 damage.
Marlo defeated Shimmy.
You got smoked by Marlo.

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Round 1
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 203 damage. Marlo resists 46 for a total of 157 damage.
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 256 damage. lookoutbelow resists 79 for a total of 177 damage.
Round 2
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 301 damage. lookoutbelow resists 72 for a total of 229 damage.
lookoutbelow misses Marlo!
Round 3
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 165 damage. Marlo resists 54 for a total of 111 damage.
Marlo misses lookoutbelow!
Round 4
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 269 damage. Marlo resists 22 for a total of 247 damage.
Marlo misses lookoutbelow!
Round 5
lookoutbelow misses Marlo!
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 124 damage. lookoutbelow resists 84 for a total of 40 damage.
Round 6
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 216 damage. Marlo resists 26 for a total of 190 damage.
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 199 damage. lookoutbelow resists 85 for a total of 114 damage.
Round 7
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 380 damage. lookoutbelow resists 84 for a total of 296 damage.
lookoutbelow misses Marlo!
Round 8
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 163 damage. Marlo resists 32 for a total of 131 damage.
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 414 damage. lookoutbelow resists 112 for a total of 302 damage.
Round 9
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 126 damage. Marlo resists 33 for a total of 93 damage.
Marlo hits lookoutbelow for 321 damage. lookoutbelow resists 64 for a total of 257 damage.
Round 10
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 1312 damage. Marlo resists 38 for a total of 1274 damage.
Marlo misses lookoutbelow!
Round 11
lookoutbelow hits Marlo for 229 damage. Marlo resists 23 for a total of 206 damage.
lookoutbelow defeated Marlo.
You honorably defeat all combatants. You walk away and let your defeated opponents sulk in their own misery.

Experience Earned : 460
Hospitalization Time : 42

[Guest]

(2010.Apr.30 06:10 AM)Conrad1103 Wrote:  

(2010.Apr.30 12:08 AM)catalyst Wrote:  so, i'm young and please don't yell at me, i thought that you pick your weapon class for such results? LBM has more crits and less consistency while Shotty's more consistent hits and way better hide out hits?

so just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that statistically it wouldn't.

conrad, as far as a good sample mean don't you need at least 10 (edit: actually i think it's 20 trials) (per gun) in order to have the results to try hypothesis testing ? (as far as your testing compared to the overall population)


it's late and i'm studying for finals so i'm just rambling

EDIT:
I don't use a shotty so i'm not entirely sure the basic statistics of it's use.

catalyst...i dont think the top players in the game are imagining the poor results of this new gun and have suddenly become liars.

as far as sample size.....i have been using the Tiff for about a year. before that...i was using the SB1 for roughly the same amount of time. after using those for thousands of fights.......it doesnt take long to figure out the new shotty is a POS. the posted results are what they are. take them or leave them - its better than posting 1 or no fight results.

i would think you would be the new shotty's biggest supportor since i have to use this weapon to protect you with.

hahaha, right when i was about to pull out some bell curves you shut me down. shotguns ftw